Cameron is right: Pakistan does sponsor terrorism
Posted on Friday 30 July, 2010
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IT IS not logically possible for anyone to have ‘gone off script’ during an ‘unscripted appearance’. That David Miliband can construct a sentence accusing David Cameron of such an offence is unfortunate proof that the the control freak mentality that characterised New Labour throughout the ‘on message’ mid 1990s is alive and well.
The occasion for the outburst came in an appearance on the World at One yesterday, in which the former foreign secretary discussed the current prime minister’s suggestion that elements within the Pakistani state are complicit in terrorist attacks in Afghanistan and India.
That this is the case is not in doubt to anyone who reads international relations journals, or even serious newspapers. The involvement of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence with the Taliban is not something that has only just come to light thanks to the classified material published on WikiLeaks earlier this week. Nor will the idea that the ISI covertly backs Kashmiri militants shock many observers of south Asian affairs.
The spluttered denials from sources in Islamabad lack even a semblance of conviction. To hear a senior official of Jamaat-i-Islami – a party of clerical authoritarian war criminals – warn Cameron that his words might foment ‘anti-American, anti-West’ sentiment only compounds the irony.
There are many grounds on which it is right for Labour politicians to criticise Cameron and the administration he leads. But simply stating commonly-known facts in plain English in response to a question at a press conference does not strike me as one of them.
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Madeinindia. You have made two informative comments. No comments about your comments from the lefty apologists. Yet!
@ John Palmer
In 1965, Pakistan similarly denied that it had sent armed infiltrators. The arson sabotage and killings by the infiltrators were again attributed by Pakistan to internal uprising in Kashmir. It persisted with this charade before the Security Council even though the UN Military Observer Group for India and Pakistan and independent observers documented that massive infiltration of armed personnel had taken place. Subsequently the Pakistani leaders themselves boasted of having sent in the infiltrators. Today Pakistan is once again denying involvement with terrorism.
40% of Kashmir population today consists of citizens of Pakistan.
Even with that kashmiris have voted 3 time (in front of UN observers) to be part of India.
Can you ask the same from pakistan occupied Kashmir?
Sandip mentions a few early episodes …
http://www.un.org/en/peacekeeping/missions/unmogip/mandate.shtml
… more recently the Pakistanis claimed that over-enthusiastic sort-of-volunteers had tiptoes through their lines without the Pakistani armed forces waking up and noticing
SO – CUT OFF ALL TIES WITH PAKISTAN AND CUT OFF ALL AID!
@Jimmy: What we need at this time is practical solutions and not rantings.
When a new nation called Pakistan took birth, they had all the opportunities to become a strong and vibrant nation. If a small country like Singapore could become such an economic powerhouse, Pakistan could have become a formidable power. Instead, they chose to self destruct.
Islamisation of the country played a major role in shaping Pakistan what it is today. Democracy does not really exist in Pakistan even now as the Army has total power over everything.
Recently, the Interior Ministry in Pakistan passed an order placing ISI under civilian authority. It is such a simple thing which should not have raised any second thoughts, but the Army would have none of it and got the order rescinded within a day and the Interior Ministry beat a hasty retreat. This small example will demonstrate who is really in charge of Pakistan.
In any modern country, all the Intelligence agencies are under civilian control, except in Pakistan. Every country has an Army, but in Pakistan, the Army has a country.
The Army is not worried about poverty, welfare and other issues. Not a single general would have met a common man and heard his plight in their entire lives.
To an extent, it is the West which played a role in creating this mess. They always looked the other way when Pakistan started exporting Nuclear technology to rogue nations, encouraged terrorism against India and created an Army of brain-washed zombies. They all thought that they will play a great game of chess. As long as it does not hit home, it was none of their business who was good and who was evil.
But ultimately everything leads back home and that is what happened to the US, UK and other western nations. 9/11 was a wake up call, even though there were many warnings before like Ramzi Yousuf, who bombed the WTC in 1993.
Today Europe is getting scared of the hordes of Muslims over taking their land and culture. In Britain, almost all the British Muslims hate the United Kingdom and have their allegiance to the “Ummah”.
I might sound like a racist but Muslim immigration needs to be stopped immediately. Muslims are still not ready to live in a globalized world and their presence will only spoil the relations further. Let the world come together in helping Muslim nations develop themselves and come out into the new world. To do this, the west should stop being selfish and not discriminate against various Muslim countries.
Saudi Arabia is more repressive than Iraq but the US chose to attack the latter. Saudi Arabia is the main financier to Terrorism Inc, but the west looks the other way. The key to International terrorism lies in Saudi Arabia. Stop the money, everything else will stop. `
Limitations of space alone probably stops MADEININDIA telling us how extremely adroit successive Pakistani administrations have been over the decades in playing the gullible Americans for open-handed suckers.
@Bill Corr: I am sure David Osler has a good server contract where space should not be a problem.
There is no simple solution to anything and how much ever we rant and discuss here, ground situation will always be different. There might be lot of things which I or the world might be unaware of and such things do play a pivotal role in global politics.
But what I feel is that the Allied Forces today should just vacate all their battle fields and let the locals deal with the issues. Everyone thinks that if the forces leave Afghanistan, it would fall into chaos and back into the hands of Taliban. Well, the only people to be blamed for that is the people of Afghanistan and not anyone else.
When the British were leaving India, everyone predicted that the “natives” are not capable of ruling themselves and that the country would break up into pieces again. India proved everyone wrong and today, the former colonial ruler itself is in India, hoping to share India’s economic success.
There is a saying in Sanskrit, “Yatha Raja, Thatha Praja”, which means “As the Ruler, so the Ruled”. But today in these times, it should be read as “As the Ruled, so the Ruler”.
It is the people of Afghanistan who decide what kind of rule they want. It is the people of Iraq who decide how they want to live. If they want to be oppressed under Saddam, well, that’s what they chose. But let’s have faith in humans. They will prevail.
Trie to access the Harry’s Place article youmentioned Stormtrooper, but it had been taken down. I am intrigued. I mentioned on another tread that I have passed teh week in lovely Catholic Malta (god, my Mormon chastity garments chafed in the heat!!!)but I did see the copy of Time (or was it Newsweek?) with teh article about teh young girl who had her nose and ears cut off for alleged insubordination. The article was asking how can the Americans (and us) withdraw and leave the women to their fate worse than death. Hard one, but on teh other hand how can we live their lives for them? On the question of Pakistan, in one of the papers I read over the last week i said the Americans were getting pissed off with the fct that they are providing $1 billion worth of aid per year to Pakistan and are being played for fools. If yu ask me, I reckon Cameron was told to question Pakistan’s good faith because Obama still wats to play kissy-fce ith the Musliim world. These floods aren’t going to help eier. Just struck me that in many ways it’s similar to the situation in Russia in 1917 (except there is no Bolshevik party) where th disatrous prosceution of the First World War lead to the troops refusing to fight etc. Could the Taliban take advantage of te situation? Remember that when they took over some f the tribal areas last year half a million people fled. t wouldn’t surprise me if Pres Zardari didn’t end up asking for asylum and not returning to Pakistan. After all, his family have sucked that country so dry why return to floods? As fo Tariq Ali? Who cares what he has to say.
The Sewer Rat. Did you kill any dogs for lunch while in Malta!
No, but I might as well have done so. I wouldn’t decribe Malta as a gastromonic paradise by a long shot.
MadeInIndia wrote: “If a small country like Singapore could become such an economic powerhouse, Pakistan could have become a formidable power.”
I thought this was a very insightful and revealing sentence. But probably not for the reasons intended by its author.
Cary …
Singapore is inhabited by smart people
’nuff said?
I wrote about what Malaysian-Chinese have to say about the possibly-unknown powers of dog meat [i.e. the meat from dogs and not merely the meat given to dogs] … “very heaty” [sic] but the post disappeared.
In this contect, “heaty” means conferring a jolly good amount of sexual energy.
Here is Buchanan mouthing off about the GROUND ZERO MOSQUE:
http://www.vdare.com/buchanan/100805_mosque.htm
… not that I love Buchanan.
And over in AL-GRAUNIAD …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/06/cameron-pakistan-fighting-terrorism?showallcomments=true#start-of-comments
… enough to make a hyena puke
Feeling as ambiguous as one does about the INA …
http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/aug/08inter.htm
… this tough old broad is still alive and genki
JAI HIND!
but we will not add
TENNO HAIKA BANZAI!
Nice to read someone putting the issue really clearly.
“Nice to read someone putting the issue really clearly.”
What a corker, who is putting which issue clearly, SueR? (Do I need to labour the point? Damn, I just have.)
Here’s something for nice libbies …
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1301003/Special-investigation-How-predatory-gangs-force-middle-class-girls-sex-trade.html
it’s disgraceful how Zionist neocons groom young white girls for sex
GOOD NEWS
EVERYONE
Hot babes in the Afghan Army …
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/7926376/Force-for-change-the-women-of-the-new-Afghan-army.html
Will those without ears and noses be granted an extra pay supplement?
America sponsors all terrorists,And will chase terrorists atterwards. What it had been doing.Who on earth don’t know that all terrorists linked with Pakistan only,No other country got so many terrorists organisation,Only America pretends to ignore this fact. And sponsoring in billions, It surely have some hidden motives. Or either want to start the 3rd world war to sell its weapon.
Either Americans are fools contributing their taxes to sponsor terorist and later get terrorists attacks on their homeland or Pakistanis too intelligent, Able to fool US.