Comments on: Ahmadinejad’s ‘mature democracy’: reply to Andy Newman http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:49:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Jimmy Glesga http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25600 Jimmy Glesga Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:58:38 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25600 modernity. They were only killing others to satisfy their own political or financial ends. Hardly progressive. The genious Newman only states the obvious. Killing is a short term fix then it starts over again. modernity. They were only killing others to satisfy their own political or financial ends. Hardly progressive. The genious Newman only states the obvious. Killing is a short term fix then it starts over again.

]]> By: modernity http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25599 modernity Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:18:18 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25599 Newman excels with specious comparisons in another thread: <blockquote>"No - if you had been paying attention you would have noticed that the right wing Harry’s Place, and the self confessed Islamophobe dave Osler, have both mentioned the executions of political opponents in the process of consolidating the revolution as reasons that there can be no progressive aspects to the Islamic Republic. My argument here is to show that the use of force by the Islamic Republic is no different in nature from Cromwell’s supression of the Levellers and Diggers; of the jacobin terror; or of the Bolshevik slaughter of rebellions sailors at Krondstadt, and the suppressin of the Mensheviks and Social revolutionaries. This is the nature of the social force that you unleash when there is a revolution."</blockquote> http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=5066#comments btw, Dave, did you really confess? Newman excels with specious comparisons in another thread:

“No – if you had been paying attention you would have noticed that the right wing Harry’s Place, and the self confessed Islamophobe dave Osler, have both mentioned the executions of political opponents in the process of consolidating the revolution as reasons that there can be no progressive aspects to the Islamic Republic.

My argument here is to show that the use of force by the Islamic Republic is no different in nature from Cromwell’s supression of the Levellers and Diggers; of the jacobin terror; or of the Bolshevik slaughter of rebellions sailors at Krondstadt, and the suppressin of the Mensheviks and Social revolutionaries.

This is the nature of the social force that you unleash when there is a revolution.”

http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=5066#comments

btw, Dave, did you really confess?

]]> By: Sue R http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25598 Sue R Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:54:54 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25598 Over at Harry's Place, there has been a whole thread dissecting Andy Newman's abject Iranophilia. He posts in the thread denying that he has ever claimed to be a'revolutionary marxist', so I guess at least we know where he stands now. Over at Harry’s Place, there has been a whole thread dissecting Andy Newman’s abject Iranophilia. He posts in the thread denying that he has ever claimed to be a’revolutionary marxist’, so I guess at least we know where he stands now.

]]> By: Winston Smith http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25597 Winston Smith Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:42:24 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25597 Can we expect a 'solidarity' statement from Galloway and Respect shortly? Perhaps one praising the swift response of the 'Iranaian leadership' in preserving the 'Islamic' democracy from internal challenge, and preserving 'the rule of law' against adventurist terrorists. It may sound like a bad joke, but check the link below. With exception of calling on the brave Sons of the Revoloution to wade through rivers of Zionist blood, Galloway pretty much delivers as expected. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8BNaWKuMM Can we expect a ‘solidarity’ statement from Galloway and Respect shortly? Perhaps one praising the swift response of the ‘Iranaian leadership’ in preserving the ‘Islamic’ democracy from internal challenge, and preserving ‘the rule of law’ against adventurist terrorists.

It may sound like a bad joke, but check the link below. With exception of calling on the brave Sons of the Revoloution to wade through rivers of Zionist blood, Galloway pretty much delivers as expected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8BNaWKuMM

]]> By: Sue R http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25596 Sue R Fri, 01 Jan 2010 11:36:13 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25596 Go on, Bill Corr, I likes to be tickled. Go on, Bill Corr, I likes to be tickled.

]]> By: Paul Stott http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25595 Paul Stott Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:13:23 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25595 I have just made the point on Socialist Unity that Mr Newman quotes from Alistair Crooke as an expert on Iran, without bothering to tell us that Crooke is ex-MI6. As such his interests are not necessarily the same as those of progressive forces....... I have just made the point on Socialist Unity that Mr Newman quotes from Alistair Crooke as an expert on Iran, without bothering to tell us that Crooke is ex-MI6.

As such his interests are not necessarily the same as those of progressive forces…….

]]> By: Bill Corr http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25594 Bill Corr Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:46:57 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25594 Sue R. is, of course, totally right and it is very wrong of anyone to tease her if she's going to rise like a trout to every fly. Sue R. mentioned AIDS; here is one of my father's true stories: In the East African campaign in WW2 the African troops of the King's African Rifles were issued with condoms to stop them being laid low with sundry nasty venereal infections [this was long before AIDS, of course] as they marched northwards into Italian-occupied territory. Nonetheless, the troops were still developing the tell-tale symptoms - which are to be seen in very graphic detail on billboards all over Yunnan - of nasty infections so the KAR Medical Officers stormed about the men's lines to find what was wrong and it was soon discovered that the condoms supplied by the War Office were being put over the muzzles of the soldiers' Lee-Enfield 303s to keep the dust out rather than being used as barrier prophylactics. Happy New Year Sue R. is, of course, totally right and it is very wrong of anyone to tease her if she’s going to rise like a trout to every fly.

Sue R. mentioned AIDS; here is one of my father’s true stories:

In the East African campaign in WW2 the African troops of the King’s African Rifles were issued with condoms to stop them being laid low with sundry nasty venereal infections [this was long before AIDS, of course] as they marched northwards into Italian-occupied territory.

Nonetheless, the troops were still developing the tell-tale symptoms – which are to be seen in very graphic detail on billboards all over Yunnan – of nasty infections so the KAR Medical Officers stormed about the men’s lines to find what was wrong and it was soon discovered that the condoms supplied by the War Office were being put over the muzzles of the soldiers’ Lee-Enfield 303s to keep the dust out rather than being used as barrier prophylactics.

Happy New Year

]]> By: Jimmy Glesga http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25593 Jimmy Glesga Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:16:54 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25593 SueR. From what you have stated above it would seem in all cases the men call the tune and that women are just objects for lying on their backs when required. You have made the case for female emancipation. SueR. From what you have stated above it would seem in all cases the men call the tune and that women are just objects for lying on their backs when required. You have made the case for female emancipation.

]]> By: Sue R http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25592 Sue R Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:52:02 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25592 Bill Corr: Aren't you being a bit slippery on paedophilia? Most reasonable people would not object to some sort of sexual activity between young people of the same or very similiar ages, except of course if there was a high social value put on virginity or 'purity, but that's not what teh story of Mohammed and Ayesha is about. He was reported to be an old man of 54, and paedophiles are generally considered to be 'dirty old men'. I watched a programme once on tv about the Masai in Kenya. It is their custom to allow warriors to have sexual intercourse with pre-pubescent girls but they must stop once the girl reaches puberty, because they do not want children produced. I don't want to take on a sort of 'fat white woman' approach on this, but I wonder if it causes any harm, mentally or physically, to the girls concerned. I mean if it's the social norm presumably they would not feel ashamed, in fact it may even benefit teir family to be associated with a young man who may go on to become powerful, on the other hand, I wonder if there is any danger of infection, especially nowadays things like AIDS. I should add that the warriors they were talking about were all young men ie 20 years of age or thereabouts, not grizzled old soldiers. About birth control...isn't that a slightly different question? I'm very glad that birth control is making headway in Saudia and Iran. Let's hope that a few other places realise the benefits of family limitation. Bill Corr: Aren’t you being a bit slippery on paedophilia? Most reasonable people would not object to some sort of sexual activity between young people of the same or very similiar ages, except of course if there was a high social value put on virginity or ‘purity, but that’s not what teh story of Mohammed and Ayesha is about. He was reported to be an old man of 54, and paedophiles are generally considered to be ‘dirty old men’. I watched a programme once on tv about the Masai in Kenya. It is their custom to allow warriors to have sexual intercourse with pre-pubescent girls but they must stop once the girl reaches puberty, because they do not want children produced. I don’t want to take on a sort of ‘fat white woman’ approach on this, but I wonder if it causes any harm, mentally or physically, to the girls concerned. I mean if it’s the social norm presumably they would not feel ashamed, in fact it may even benefit teir family to be associated with a young man who may go on to become powerful, on the other hand, I wonder if there is any danger of infection, especially nowadays things like AIDS. I should add that the warriors they were talking about were all young men ie 20 years of age or thereabouts, not grizzled old soldiers.

About birth control…isn’t that a slightly different question? I’m very glad that birth control is making headway in Saudia and Iran. Let’s hope that a few other places realise the benefits of family limitation.

]]> By: Entdinglichung http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/comment-page-2/#comment-25591 Entdinglichung Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:23:48 +0000 http://www.davidosler.com/2009/12/ahmadinejad%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%98mature-democracy%e2%80%99-reply-to-andy-newman/#comment-25591 the main problem of "comrades" like Andy Newman & Co. is, that they indulge in geopolitical speculations and consider western pseudo-anti-imperialist "experts" to be more competent on issues "down there" than revolutionary leftists from these countries the main problem of “comrades” like Andy Newman & Co. is, that they indulge in geopolitical speculations and consider western pseudo-anti-imperialist “experts” to be more competent on issues “down there” than revolutionary leftists from these countries

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