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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.davidosler.com/2009/01/why-is-the-left-press-so-crashingly-dull/comment-page-2/#comment-18552</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange that nobody has mentioned the real reason why the right wing rags you describe as dull, actually they are simply shite, are so boring.

The fact is that they are dominated by people who are committed to politics that are based on;

(1) a denatured watered down statism, as with the semi-senile Stalinoids of the Bore;

(2)are committed to that form of liberalism that once made up the ideological substitute for a backbone that functioned as such in Tribune;

(3) or are committed to a more &#039;modern&#039; Third Worldist liberalism, as with Red (sic) Pepper, thats never views working people in this country as the starting point for anything but pity.

Let them all die.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange that nobody has mentioned the real reason why the right wing rags you describe as dull, actually they are simply shite, are so boring.</p>
<p>The fact is that they are dominated by people who are committed to politics that are based on;</p>
<p>(1) a denatured watered down statism, as with the semi-senile Stalinoids of the Bore;</p>
<p>(2)are committed to that form of liberalism that once made up the ideological substitute for a backbone that functioned as such in Tribune;</p>
<p>(3) or are committed to a more &#8216;modern&#8217; Third Worldist liberalism, as with Red (sic) Pepper, thats never views working people in this country as the starting point for anything but pity.</p>
<p>Let them all die.</p>
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		<title>By: Obnoxio The Clown</title>
		<link>http://www.davidosler.com/2009/01/why-is-the-left-press-so-crashingly-dull/comment-page-2/#comment-18551</link>
		<dc:creator>Obnoxio The Clown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spart! Put an RSS feed on your blog, please!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spart! Put an RSS feed on your blog, please!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Coates</title>
		<link>http://www.davidosler.com/2009/01/why-is-the-left-press-so-crashingly-dull/comment-page-2/#comment-18550</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Coates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HTUT, the link is given above. And here

http://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/hilary-wainwright-goes-localist-why-the-left-is-barely-fighting-workfare/

I read Red Pepper, since Ipswich Central Library gets it (It has a bettr selection of publications than any Library in London that I know of).

Since I have blogged on this and written for Chartist on it, not to mention drafted last year&#039;s Trades Councils&#039; motion opposing Welfare Reform (for the unemployed etc) I noticed quite clearly that Red Pepper was not covering the issue.

There is a good article about Welfare Reform by Louise in the latest Briefing.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HTUT, the link is given above. And here</p>
<p><a href="http://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/hilary-wainwright-goes-localist-why-the-left-is-barely-fighting-workfare/" rel="nofollow">http://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/hilary-wainwright-goes-localist-why-the-left-is-barely-fighting-workfare/</a></p>
<p>I read Red Pepper, since Ipswich Central Library gets it (It has a bettr selection of publications than any Library in London that I know of).</p>
<p>Since I have blogged on this and written for Chartist on it, not to mention drafted last year&#8217;s Trades Councils&#8217; motion opposing Welfare Reform (for the unemployed etc) I noticed quite clearly that Red Pepper was not covering the issue.</p>
<p>There is a good article about Welfare Reform by Louise in the latest Briefing.</p>
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		<title>By: A Small Point</title>
		<link>http://www.davidosler.com/2009/01/why-is-the-left-press-so-crashingly-dull/comment-page-2/#comment-18549</link>
		<dc:creator>A Small Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s face it, guys, if you could conceive of a smart idea, organize a team of workers, put it into action, innovate, and follow through perfecting your execution - you&#039;d be entrepreneurs, not lefties.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it, guys, if you could conceive of a smart idea, organize a team of workers, put it into action, innovate, and follow through perfecting your execution &#8211; you&#8217;d be entrepreneurs, not lefties.</p>
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		<title>By: simon smith</title>
		<link>http://www.davidosler.com/2009/01/why-is-the-left-press-so-crashingly-dull/comment-page-2/#comment-18548</link>
		<dc:creator>simon smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the left publications are boring because the left as a unified formation is dead - so theres no sense that the coverage is contributing to a march forward, a strategy. the interesting places are those where theres been a radical re-evaluation such as &#039;spiked&#039;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the left publications are boring because the left as a unified formation is dead &#8211; so theres no sense that the coverage is contributing to a march forward, a strategy. the interesting places are those where theres been a radical re-evaluation such as &#8216;spiked&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: modernityblog</title>
		<link>http://www.davidosler.com/2009/01/why-is-the-left-press-so-crashingly-dull/comment-page-2/#comment-18547</link>
		<dc:creator>modernityblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 23:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPP,

in the nicest possible way, PDFs are a pain.

a lot of sites (notably some TU ones or designed by those companies) only provide some coverage in PDFs, which necessitate having a PDF reader installed

rather sites should aim to have both HTML and PDF documents, it means that people with slow PCs, with accessibility issues, without a reader or those that don&#039;t like PDFs (Adobe reader is terribly bloated), etc couldn&#039;t then access the content

the objective should be to make ALL content as accessible as possible, just from a browser (even old ones or text based), reach as many people as possible

I think this Portal is an excellent idea, but as you say needs co-operation from people to work.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPP,</p>
<p>in the nicest possible way, PDFs are a pain.</p>
<p>a lot of sites (notably some TU ones or designed by those companies) only provide some coverage in PDFs, which necessitate having a PDF reader installed</p>
<p>rather sites should aim to have both HTML and PDF documents, it means that people with slow PCs, with accessibility issues, without a reader or those that don&#8217;t like PDFs (Adobe reader is terribly bloated), etc couldn&#8217;t then access the content</p>
<p>the objective should be to make ALL content as accessible as possible, just from a browser (even old ones or text based), reach as many people as possible</p>
<p>I think this Portal is an excellent idea, but as you say needs co-operation from people to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Southpawpunch</title>
		<link>http://www.davidosler.com/2009/01/why-is-the-left-press-so-crashingly-dull/comment-page-2/#comment-18546</link>
		<dc:creator>Southpawpunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The things that would make such a pdf work would be content.

I&#039;ve never seen anything said by any of those who write the most popular Left blogs (including this one, Lenin&#039;s Tomb, Socialist Unity and more) that indicates any interest in co-operating wider and trying to get their, and similar views, to the next level - where they are not just reliant on people visiting their blogs but could possibly have many more receiving their content and also possibly help a general revival of Left views (many newspaper columinists predict we may be in a boom period with capitalism crumbling - but what do they know) by building an authoratative and credible Left media outlet in the way the NS never was, Tribune never could be, Red Pepper may have been but failed but the Morning Star possibly could become (although that would be the right of the far-ish Left e.g. supporting Simpson rather than Hicks in the Union election).

The two different routes as outlined by Modernity and Chris Williams are both very useful tutorials.

I will file them away as guides but fear that the welcome offers of commitment by people like E10, me and Chris won&#039;t get us very far at the moment.

There remains a crying need a Left (electronic) Spectator and also a Left portal (the place where you go to meet other TU militants in your town, school students ask basic questions about socialism etc) but it will take either a lot more enthusiasm by a wider range of people, or maybe more likely, a coming upsurge that will wipe into insignificance all these proprietorial blogs to be replaced with outlets that represent living tendencies and movements - hopefully joined together - rather than the politics of a single individual.

I look forward to them being built. As Modernity correctly points out the old excuse of &#039;We haven&#039;t got the money&#039; no longer applies.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The things that would make such a pdf work would be content.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen anything said by any of those who write the most popular Left blogs (including this one, Lenin&#8217;s Tomb, Socialist Unity and more) that indicates any interest in co-operating wider and trying to get their, and similar views, to the next level &#8211; where they are not just reliant on people visiting their blogs but could possibly have many more receiving their content and also possibly help a general revival of Left views (many newspaper columinists predict we may be in a boom period with capitalism crumbling &#8211; but what do they know) by building an authoratative and credible Left media outlet in the way the NS never was, Tribune never could be, Red Pepper may have been but failed but the Morning Star possibly could become (although that would be the right of the far-ish Left e.g. supporting Simpson rather than Hicks in the Union election).</p>
<p>The two different routes as outlined by Modernity and Chris Williams are both very useful tutorials.</p>
<p>I will file them away as guides but fear that the welcome offers of commitment by people like E10, me and Chris won&#8217;t get us very far at the moment.</p>
<p>There remains a crying need a Left (electronic) Spectator and also a Left portal (the place where you go to meet other TU militants in your town, school students ask basic questions about socialism etc) but it will take either a lot more enthusiasm by a wider range of people, or maybe more likely, a coming upsurge that will wipe into insignificance all these proprietorial blogs to be replaced with outlets that represent living tendencies and movements &#8211; hopefully joined together &#8211; rather than the politics of a single individual.</p>
<p>I look forward to them being built. As Modernity correctly points out the old excuse of &#8216;We haven&#8217;t got the money&#8217; no longer applies.</p>
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		<title>By: history tells us things</title>
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		<dc:creator>history tells us things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fiona

I have been a supporter of Red Pepper for many years, even selling it at events and basically being an evangelist for it in the past, etc, It can be extremely interesting and incisive at times. I also like its eclecticness(sic),and the way it gives young writers a voice

My beef ,an i stand by it, is that while you have covered housing, the NHS etc in depth you have most certainly not covered the Gov&#039;t &#039;welfare reforms&#039;, the biggest in 60 years, which see millions lose money, forced into cheap labour and in some cases medical treatment.Indeed, I&#039;m not sure if you have covered poverty in the Uk in any depth, i have the mags and I will defo look, though I am quite sure about this omission.

I have contacted Hilary or the former editors by phone, email, press release to suggest this coverage over the years, which sadly now i am no postion to help with..

HTUT

@Andrew,

can&#039;t find your bit on WReform and H/Wainwright, etc

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fiona</p>
<p>I have been a supporter of Red Pepper for many years, even selling it at events and basically being an evangelist for it in the past, etc, It can be extremely interesting and incisive at times. I also like its eclecticness(sic),and the way it gives young writers a voice</p>
<p>My beef ,an i stand by it, is that while you have covered housing, the NHS etc in depth you have most certainly not covered the Gov&#8217;t &#8216;welfare reforms&#8217;, the biggest in 60 years, which see millions lose money, forced into cheap labour and in some cases medical treatment.Indeed, I&#8217;m not sure if you have covered poverty in the Uk in any depth, i have the mags and I will defo look, though I am quite sure about this omission.</p>
<p>I have contacted Hilary or the former editors by phone, email, press release to suggest this coverage over the years, which sadly now i am no postion to help with..</p>
<p>HTUT</p>
<p>@Andrew,</p>
<p>can&#8217;t find your bit on WReform and H/Wainwright, etc</p>
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		<title>By: modernityblog</title>
		<link>http://www.davidosler.com/2009/01/why-is-the-left-press-so-crashingly-dull/comment-page-2/#comment-18544</link>
		<dc:creator>modernityblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue

Agreed, once you&#039;ve got it in electronic format, as web pages, it is easy enough to do, just a simple cut&#039;n&#039;paste job to produce a local edition.

PS: Alice, you&#039;re right too many blokes on the Left get into &quot;pissing contests&quot;, bad habit, I apologise.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue</p>
<p>Agreed, once you&#8217;ve got it in electronic format, as web pages, it is easy enough to do, just a simple cut&#8217;n'paste job to produce a local edition.</p>
<p>PS: Alice, you&#8217;re right too many blokes on the Left get into &#8220;pissing contests&#8221;, bad habit, I apologise.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest report on the national media has recommended that ITV move out of local news production.  I think that this would be a big mistake, partly because of the loss of jobs but also, for democracy to function, people need information.  With no local press, we wouldn&#039;t know about hospital closures or school amalgamations before they happened.  The local left press of the 70s was a vibrant thing, and it is sorely missed.  Of-course, it isn&#039;t just the local newsheets that have gone, it&#039;s the lefty, independent bookshops, the two were interdependent.  I can appreciate why there is the siren call of the internet, but what worries me is that only committed people will log on to the site.  Would it not be a good idea to produce a print version simultaneously to reach &#039;casual&#039; readers?  As Joe Hill said, &#039;Don&#039;t Mourn, Organise.&#039;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest report on the national media has recommended that ITV move out of local news production.  I think that this would be a big mistake, partly because of the loss of jobs but also, for democracy to function, people need information.  With no local press, we wouldn&#8217;t know about hospital closures or school amalgamations before they happened.  The local left press of the 70s was a vibrant thing, and it is sorely missed.  Of-course, it isn&#8217;t just the local newsheets that have gone, it&#8217;s the lefty, independent bookshops, the two were interdependent.  I can appreciate why there is the siren call of the internet, but what worries me is that only committed people will log on to the site.  Would it not be a good idea to produce a print version simultaneously to reach &#8216;casual&#8217; readers?  As Joe Hill said, &#8216;Don&#8217;t Mourn, Organise.&#8217;.</p>
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