(11) On a principled basis, will you join my tendency?

Hey Comrade O,

You did not think these up by yourself, now did you? 'Fess up now as you should at least give some credit to the Stroppybloggers.....who helped to think these gems up. Yes?

:-) brought a smile to my face - keep em coming!

OK Louise ... add a few of the ones you told me worked on you!

"OK Louise ... add a few of the ones you told me worked on you"!

Cheeky.... Just a credit will do for the above and no wisecracks either. And honestly, I told you the ones which worked for me in confidence!! Never trust an ex-Trot, that's all I can say!

Anyway, I am writing my own for a Stroppyblog near me...

OK... just one

"Yes, I am interested in joining the SWP. Maybe we should go back to yours to discuss our differences.."

Needless to say you can replace "SWP" with any grouplet. It's boring,formal and cheesy but it is tried and tested and it worked for me many, many years ago, boys and girls.

Ha! Reminds me of the Slovak student I thought was an interesting contact, we'd met in the uni coffee lounge, I had chatted with her about '68 etc and she seemed bright and friendly, but as I heard she told my friend Eddie:
"That Charlie is OK but whenever we talk he takes his red thing out" - she meant the paper.

Just wondered though, Dave, considering your latest move, how come you trot out (no pun intended) that rather un-PC one about "taking over your means of production" (was that for a hand job?) rather than mentioning deep entry tactics, or entry sui generis?

". . . Marxist bookstore downtown"

Mmm, that phrase seems a bit American to me.

"Do you sell papers here often?"

I bet that's not a chat up line your average Newsline supporter can use. ;-)

A pic inspired by this thread.

Ahhhh, you nicked my comment about Wardytron. Fair enough, since I nicked it from an old comment on the Chase me Ladies blog.

Anyway, more chat-up lines:

"Let's start a faction together."

"Haven't I seen you at some demo before?"

And the winner is....

"I fully agree that in a capitalist society gender has become commodified, and women's bodies have been degraded to just another resource to be exploited. I also agree with you that the only solution to this is through a socialist-feminist discourse that challenges the hegemony both of male dominance and of global capital. Now, can I please please PLEASE spunk on your tits?"

Oh dear. It appears that as a consequence of that very post, my blogging rights on the Drink Soaked Trots have been removed. I guess they didn't like me defending Wardytron.

Ah well, fuck 'em. I've never been a Trotskyite and was most definitely never for WAR. I have been known to get Drink-Soaked though, and I quite like the idea of being a Popinjay, whatever one is.

My only annoyance is that I was just about to do a flamboyant resignation post and then quit. I've been robbed of my grand exit. :(

Spirit, I've had a look on Drink Soaked Trots and I'm buggered if I can work out what the hell's going on. Why the hatred of Harry's Place? I thought those two blogs were joined at the hip. Are the Drink Soaked Trots people still connected to the Euston Manifesto?

Used 8 successfully once. The rest are crap apart from variations on 6, the best of which I ever managed was: "Of course the only Trotsky I like now is Our Political Tasks, where he warns of the dangers of substitutionism inherent in Lenin's conception of the revolutionary party. I think you need to discover the libertarian inside you ..." Yuk! Didn't work, but what the hell.

I was a student in Liverpool in the mid 80's. I'm afraid none of my Mili friends were particularly PC or used Trot pick up lines. I do however remember sharing a room at a conference with the guy that went on to buy the Militant press and he used to refer to his "shagging pants" which was about as PC as a Mili could be. So if anybody knows what Tony Macnulty is up to these days........

I am happy to share the secrets of my past successes with younger leftie bloggers.

Am I your understudy then, Dave?

Kit

Im sure you don't need advice from an old tart like Osler :-)

"Be my glorious vanguard."

"You know, I can be a real Stakhanovite when I want to be."

Or of course you can just do it the long, logical way and begin with:
"Labour is the source of wealth and all culture, and inasmuch as generally useful labour is possible only through society, the total product of labour belongs to society, i.e., to all its members, with universal obligation to work, with equal right, to each according to his reasonable needs..."

"You have nothing to lose but your chains"

would only work in a fetish club...

"Revolutions are the locomotives of history.... and I go like a train".

Hahaha, I know the comrades in that photo. It was taken on the Stoke NHS SOS demo back in April and yes, their constant snogging meant the paper sales suffered :( ;)

They're going to be pleased to see themselves on here.

Don't be surprised if you get an outraged email Mr Osler ...

On the Millies photo... there is, I am sure, a photo floating around of me and an SWP comrade doing the exact same thing in Manchester quite a few years ago, Socialist Workers in hand...

Would you combine with my uneven development?

"I used to read Trotsky ... but then I drifted."

It's a classic :o)

Kit, I can't believe you kissed a Manchester SWPer. Rank.

I was in the SWP at the time, Tom, the reason to go 'ew' was that she used to beat me up a fair bit of the time and no-one would believe me because she was soo tiny and innocent looking.

I'm Manchester SWP alumni, and I have to say, I'm a prime bit of beefcake.

Trotskyist chat up line: Let's create a permanent revolution... in my bed.

"Trotskyist chat up line: Let's create a permanent revolution... in my bed".

Kit: On the one hand, the above chat-up line made me laugh on this bleak Monday morning. But on the other hand, I despair.....

You are not the worst, Kit. "Would you combine with my uneven development"? Yikes...!

Though Seren's "going like a train" has left me with images only a fully-qualified shrink can expunge...

Followed by Fred Dibnah demolishing one of his, ahem, big chimneys no doubt... no need for a shrink!

Why use chat up lines when you can simply send some of your personal guard to a nearby school to pick up likely suspects?

Louise: this is why I don't date Trots any more.

Yeah, but there is one you'd like to date, isn't there? So it's not a principled stand, is it comrade?

Buy me a beer at SBM next months and I won't name her here.

Bloody hell Osler, stop gossiping . You usually only get it half right and end up offending people :-)

Kit, me and Lousie will keep him under control at the drinks :-)

Dave, what are you on about?

Kit

He gets muddled...its old age setting in :-)

He must think he knows something, though... I want to know what it is...

Kit

I have e-mailed you...

So what's your preference - socialism from above, socialism from below, or socialism from behind?

I'm impressed to see that those two Socialist Party activists had the discipline to keep their papers visible in case anyone wanted to interrupt them long enough to buy one.

Actually, I think the SP activists are hiding their faces in shame. Out of shot is an honesty box and a notice "Please pay what you think it's worth, but preferably the cover price."

Those are good Dave, but not quite as funny as this article on Libcom:

http://libcom.org/news/article.php/top-ten-trotskyist-chat-up-lines-2006

Thought the 'rotten elements' had more sense of humour than this. Someone's had a bad hair day obviously.

http://rottenelements.blogspot.com/

the rotten elements Xmas quiz!
Match the following tedious shite from Dave 'jazzman' Osler with a smell and a sound.
"Now that I don't need chat-up lines anymore, I am happy to share the secrets of past successes with younger leftie bloggers. Please note that what follows is objectively non-sexist and designed to be adapted from each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her gender of choice.
(10) You mean you share my critique of Mandel's interpretation of Kondratiev's long wave theory? Wow, we have so much in common!
(9) Let’s get out of here. I know a much cozier little Marxist bookstore downtown.
(8) I bet I can guess your party cadre name.
(7) Sorry, but I just wanted to tell you how stunning you look in that secondhand donkey jacket while carrying a bundle of Socialist Workers under your arm ...
(6) I used to read Trotsky ... but then I drifted.
(5) Is that the Transitional Programme in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me?
(4) That secondhand donkey jacket of yours would look great on my bedroom floor.
(3) What's a nice girl like you doing in a lousy union fraction like this?
(2) Do you sell papers here often?
(1) So, babe ... just how degenerate would your ideal workers' state be?"
Yes, that's right. The smell is out-of-date Werther's Originals left in a car glovebox for three years. The sound is some doddering old Trot trying to unwrap the fucking things…
Season's greetings,
The poet duster

Mark

I notice they say their posts are open for critique yet no commenting facility !

Not sure about the smell of Werther's Originals, in their case seems more the smell of sour grapes . as you say seem to lack a sense of humour and probably need to get out a bit more if this is all they can criticise.

Come on people. Peace on earth and all that, and anyway it's better to direct your venom against maoists. I can't believe there is so many of those little critters in the US of A. (Shit, where do I insert the 'KKK' bit, again?)

I happened to come across this little number on a similar vein - but about feminists

Jim: My favourite bit from that "little feminist number" was:

"if the personal is political
then our getting together
has the potential
to subvert the patriarchy".

That's going in my little red notebook of chat-up lines....

After reading the RE's weird stuff on Dave today I think I get it now. Dave must have really upset them somewhere.

I don't get some of this although I do think maybe there's a good point lurking here — I find some of Dave's political stuff useful and intelligent but the pretend hipster stuff, 'hard-driving R&B' etc, is quite embarassing and unnecessary.

http://rottenelements.blogspot.com/

"pretend hipster stuff, 'hard-driving R&B'"

Never crossed your mind, Mark, that Dave might actually like R&B? If R&B is the new hip, I'll eat my bunnet.

cheers

Mark

What is pretend or embarrassing about posting on music or other subjects other than politics ?

So if you are over 40 you can't like or write about music ?

It may not interest you, but don't read it.

Nothing pretend about liking music.

Once you stop you might as well be dead.

Darren

Exactly.

Its not pretend. He does like it, plus other stuff.

That's all fine. I don't mean talking about music and I'm sure he does like it (plus other stuff).

It's just the way in which it's worn as a badge to signify some kind of incendiary meaning (and to be honest the soft left politics here aren't that incendiary, although the commentary is good). To even compare Harry's place to the Sex Pistols is just… naff.

Like, the other night I watched my 45-year-old boss shaking his arse to some hip-hop at a bar. That's okay and he wasn't a bad dancer. But he then used this as a tag into talking about rap for an hour. I don't know much about rappers but it sounded like drivel to merely say 'look at me, I'm cool'. But you knew it was crap and he would be back on the cocoa before nite's end.

So, it's not music per se that's the problem here…

Other stuff - meant other types of music.

"Like, the other night I watched my 45-year-old boss shaking his arse to some hip-hop at a bar. That's okay and he wasn't a bad dancer. But he then used this as a tag into talking about rap for an hour. I don't know much about rappers but it sounded like drivel to merely say 'look at me, I'm cool'. But you knew it was crap and he would be back on the cocoa before nite's end."

yep thats cringey, but don't see why you think what Dave says is like that. He doesn't pretend to be cool . I think there can be an ageism around all this. At certain ages you should only like certain types of music etc.

Ofetn its done ironically on here, such as the banter with Kit on music.

Looks like you take things to seriously.

Actually Mark you probably ought not to come over to stroppyblog. I mean women over 30 talking about sex. Perhaps we are embarrassing.

oh I also go to see new bands. Oh dear, probably to old to be going to see crap bands in crap venues.

Cocoa and slippers for us oldies.

Personally I think its ageist crap and really don't see what your problem is.

Its called having a life and not bothering what others think, certainly not the fuckwits (who don't allow debate re comments, on rotten elements.

Erm, in six minutes and two posts you have shifted from telling me that I take things too seriously (possibly true) to coming out with this "ageist" cobblers. What the fuck's that all about?

I have just said that a 45-year-old man (with middle-age spread) danced well to hip-hop. I didn't suggest to the owners that he be removed from the premises. Teenagers talking half-garbled 'gangsta' patois on the bus are just as stupid as old blokes pretending to the world authority on bleeding Jay-Z. Age is irrelevant. I'm actually 75.

I don't think the absence/presence of a Comments button proves anything about anything. The Weekly worker lot don't have facility for Comments in that way but seem pretty open to stuff from outside (they printed my letter the other week at least). But I don't know about RE, who don't seem fuckwits, just a bit too enamoured of their own clever-Trevor words.

Mind you, this site is quite safe with its Comments isn't it? After all, we get you hissing away like some venomous puff adder when the hipster honour of Dave 'Socialist Hypocrisy Group' Osler is threatened.

"Mind you, this site is quite safe with its Comments isn't it? After all, we get you hissing away like some venomous puff adder when the hipster honour of Dave 'Socialist Hypocrisy Group' Osler is threatened."

I am not defending dave's honour ( would have difficulty with that one :-) !

He is capable of defending himself.

Not sure why someone disagreeing with you means the comments are quite safe. Don't see you being deleted or banned?

You are free to express your view and I mine.

And there is a difference between a letters page and comments . letters are picked. Its fairly static. Comments, as we are doing here, allows for debate and disagreement. A flow. And this site is not moderated and in earlier posts you will have seen quite a lot of criticism of Dave re the LP. So again, not 'safe'.

Personally I do wonder why people blog if they do not want comments and debate. That is my criticism with rotten elements. They are free to attack Dave or whoever, but don't seem to want comments.

typing this into my allotted comments box
Comments: (you may use HTML tags for style)
is a comment spontaneous? i could comment -
at least the comments have moved away from chat-up lines, but then again maybe they haven't...
ah-ha - the aesthetics of comments!

there's nothing wrong with clevor trevor words
without them we're nothing... abrogated

...and it ain’t not proving that me mind ain’t moving
and I answer to the name of Trever, however
knock me down with a feather
Clever Trevor
widebrows wonder wether Clever Trevor’s clever
either have they got
nor neither haven’t not
got no right to make a clot
out of Trevor

This list first appeared on Urban75 fucking years ago

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